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     Richard de St. Valery , Seigneur de Hugleville was born in 1008 at St Valery-en-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He was the son of Gulbert Advocate de St. Valery and Pappia of Normandy. Richard de St. Valery , Seigneur de Hugleville died after 1053 at Hugleville, Normandy, France.¹

     Ada Heiress de Hugleville was born circa 1011 at Hugleville, Normandy, France. She was the daughter of Herlouin Seigneur de Hugleville.

     Eleanor (AenorAanor) de Dommart was born in 1128 at Domart-en-Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France. She married Bernard IV de St. Valery , of Beckley & Horton, son of Reginald (Rainald) II de St. Valery , of Beckley, after 1151.¹

     William III de Braose , 11th Lord Abergavenny was born in 1153 at Bramber, Sussex, England. He was the son of William II de Braose , 10th Lord of Abergavenny and Bertha de Gloucester , Heiress of Brecon. William III de Braose , 11th Lord Abergavenny married Maude de St. Valery, daughter of Bernard IV de St. Valery , of Beckley & Horton and Eleanor (AenorAanor) de Dommart, in 1169. William III de Braose , 11th Lord Abergavenny died on 9 August 1211 at Corbeil, Marne, Champagne, France.^1,2 He was buried on 10 August 1211 at Abbey of St Victorie, Paris, Ile-de-France, France.
     He OWNERS of the LORDSHIP of ABERGAVENNY (XI)

William de Briouze, Lord of Briouze [in Normandy], Bramber, Brecon,Over-Gwent, etc., son and heir (a). He m. Maud de St Valery, 'Lady of LaHaie.' In consequence of his well-known quarrel with King John, hislands were forfeited in 1208, and his wife and 1st son starved to deathin the dungeons of Corfe (or of Windsor) in 1210. He d. at Corbeil nearParis, 9, and was buried 10 Aug 1211, in the Abbey of St. Victor atParis. [Complete Peerage I:22]

(a) He slaughtered Seisyll ap Dyvnwal and a host of unarmed Welshmen, inthe castle of Abergavenny in 1175, in revenge for the death of his uncleHenry of Hereford. Seisyll was owner of Castle Arnold, and is said in aninaccurate version of the Brut to have captured Abergavenny in 1172, theslaughter being dated 1177. But the better version of the Brut, on thecontrary, states that Seisyll was captured in 1172 by the garrison ofAbergavenny.

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At his peak Lord of Bramber, Gower, Abergavenny, Brecknock, Builth,Radnor, Kington, Limerick, and the three castles of Skenfrith, Grosmont,and Whitecastle.

William inherited Bramber, Builth, and Radnor from his father, Brecknockand Abergavenny through his mother. He was the strongest of the MarcherLords involved in constant war with the Welsh and other lords. He wasparticularly hated by the Welsh for the massacre of three Welsh princes,their families and their men which took place during a feast at hiscastle of Abergavenny in 1175. He was sometimes known as the 'Ogre ofAbergavenny'. One of the Normans' foremost warriors, he fought alongsideKing Richard at Chalus in 1199 (where Richard was killed).

William received Limerick in 1201 from King John. He was also givencustody of Glamorgan, Monmouth, and Gwynllwg in return for large payments.

William captured Arthur, Count of Brittany at Mirebeau in 1202 and was incharge of his imprisonment for King John. He was rewarded in February1203 with the grant of Gower. He may have had knowledge of the murderPrince Arthur and been bribed to silence by John with the city ofLimerick in July. His honors reached their peak when he was made Sheriffof Herefordshire by John in 1206-7. He had held this office underRichard from 1192-1199.

His fall began almost immediately. William was stripped of his office asbailiff of Glamorgan and other custodies in 1206-7. Later he wasdeprived of all his lands and, sought by John in Ireland, he returned toWales and joined the Welsh Prince Llewelyn in rebellion. He fled toFrance in 1210 via Shoreham 'in the habit of a beggar' and died in exilenear Paris. Despite intending to be interred at St John's, Brecon, hewas buried in the Abbey of St Victorie, Paris by Stephen Langton, theArchbishop of Canterbury, another of John's chief opponents who was alsotaking refuge there.

His wife and son were murdered by King John-starved to death at WindsorCastle.

See Castle of Grosmont


William de Braose inherited the large estates of his grandmother, Bertade Gloucester, and besides possessed the Honour of Braose, in Normandy.This feudal lord was a personage of great power and influence during thereigns of Henry II and Richard I, from the former of whom he obtained agrant of the 'whole kingdom of Limeric, in Ireland,' for the service ofsixty knight's fees, to be held of the king and his younger son, John.For several years after this period, he appears to have enjoyed thefavour of King John and his power and possessions were augmented bydivers grants from the crown. In the 10th of the king's reign [1209],when the kingdom laboured under an interdiction and John deemed itexpedient to demand hostages from his barons to ensure their allegianceshould the Pope proceed to the length of absolving them from obedience tothe crown, his officers who came upon the mission to the Baron de Braosewere met by Maud, his wife, and peremptorily informed that she would notentrust any of her children to the king, who had so basely murdered hisown nephew, Prince Arthur. de Braose rebuked her for speaking thus,however, and said that if he had in anything offended the king, he wasready to make satisfaction according to the judgment of the court and thebarons, his peers, upon an appointed day and at any fixed place without,however, giving hostages. This answer being communicated to the king, anorder was immediately transmitted to seize upon the baron's person, butBraose having notice thereof fled with his family into Ireland.

This quarrel between de Braose and King John is, however, differentlyrelated by other authorities. The monk of Llanthony stated that King Johndisinherited and banished him for his cruelty to the Welsh in his warwith Gwenwynwyn, and that his wife Maud and William, his son and heir,died prisoners in Corfe Castle. Another writer relates, 'that thisWilliam de Braose, son of Philip de Braose, Lord of Buelt, held the landsof Brecknock and Went for the whole time of King Henry II, Richard I, andKing John without any disturbance until he took to wife the Lady Maud deSt. Walerie, who, in revenge of Henry de Hereford, cause divers Welshmento be murthered in the castle of Bergavenny as they sat at meat; and thatfor this, and for some other pickt quarrel, King John banished him andall his out of England. Likewise, that in his exile, Maud his wife, withWilliam, galled, Gam, his son, were taken and put into prison where shedied the 10th year after her husband fought with Gwenwynwyn and slewthree thousand Welch.' From these various relations, says Dugdale, it isno easy matter to discover what his demerits were, but what usage he hadat last, take here the credit of these two historians who lived near thattime. 'This year, viz. anno 1240,' quoth Matthew of Westminster, 'thenoble lady Maud, wife of William de Braose, with William, their son andheir, were miserably famished at Windsor by the command of King John; andWilliam, her husband, escaping from Scorham, put himself into the habitof a beggar and, privately getting beyond sea, died soon after at Paris,where he had burial in the abbey of St. Victor.' And Matthew Paris,putting his death in anno 1212 (which differs a little in time), says,'That he fled from Ireland to France and, dying at Ebula, his body wascarried to Paris and there honourably buried in the abbey of St. Victor.''But after these great troubles in his later days,' continues Dugdale, 'Ishall now say something of his pious works. Being by inheritance from hismother, Lord of Bergavenny, he made great grants to the monks of thatpriory, conditionally, that the abbot and convent of St. Vincent, inMaine (to which this priory of Bergavenny was a cell) should daily prayfor the soul of him, the said William, and the soul of Maud, his wife.'

This great but unfortunate personage had issue by his wife, Maud de St.Walerie, I. William; II. Giles: III. Reginald; IV. Sir John; I. Joane;II. Loretta; III. Margaret; IV. Maud.

When the contest between King John and the barons broke out, Giles deBraose, bishop of Hereford, arraying himself under the baronial banner,was put in possession by the people of Bergavenny and the other castlesof the deceased lord, and eventually King John, in the last year of hisreign, his wrath then being assuaged, granted part of those lands to thebishop's younger brother and heir. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant,Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p.72, Braose, Baron Braose, of Gower]

     Maude de St. Valery was buried; walled up in Corfe Castle ordered by King John. Died by starvation. She was born in 1155 at Isleworth, Middlesex, England.⁴ She was the daughter of Bernard IV de St. Valery , of Beckley & Horton and Eleanor (AenorAanor) de Dommart. Maude de St. Valery married William III de Braose , 11th Lord Abergavenny, son of William II de Braose , 10th Lord of Abergavenny and Bertha de Gloucester , Heiress of Brecon, in 1169. Maude de St. Valery died in 1210 at Corfe, Windsor, England.⁵

     Reginald (Rainald) II de St. Valery , of Beckley was born in 1094 at Beckley, Headington, Oxfordshire, England. He was the son of Bernard III de St. Valery , of Tetbury. Reginald (Rainald) II de St. Valery , of Beckley married an unknown person circa 1116 at Isleworth, Middlesex, England. He died in 1166 at Horton, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England.¹
     He The following is Excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Sep 2002, by JohnRavilious:

From: John Ravilious (Therav3 AT aol.com)
Subject: Re: Reginald de St. Valery and His Descendants
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-30 09:39:35 PST
Monday, 30 September, 2002

Reynold of St. Valery supported Empress Maud against King Stephen in thecivil wars, and in 1158 went on crusade. He died probably in 1166-7 andwas succeeded by his eldest son Bernard, who in 1166-7 paid a fine forlivery of Beckley and Horton.

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The following was given in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann ATyahoo.com:

A little more:

of Tetbury, co. Glocs; seneschal of Normandy, 1146- 1153; lands forfeitunder King Stephen due to support of Matilda; restored by King Henry II,as the honour of St. Valery; benefactor of nunnery at Fontevraud with sonBernard before 1154 [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003]

he received a grant of Beckley, co. Oxon. and other lands of the d'Ivryfamily (escheated to the crown) from King Henry I, before 1135 [Ref:Sanders p9-10]

Reynold of St. Valery supported Empress Maud against King Stephen in thecivil wars, and in 1158 went on crusade. He died probably in 1166-7 andwas succeeded by his eldest son Bernard... [Ref: A History of Horon CumStudleyhttp://oxford-consultants.tripod.com/a_history_of_horton_cum_studley.htm]

made a gift of the church of Northleigh ['Legis'], co. Oxon. to the monksof St. Mary of Eynsham '...pro salute Henrici regis & A. regine &liberorum suorum, & pro mea & Bernardi filii mei salute & pro animabuspatris & matris mee & antecessorum & benefactorum meorum...', ca. 1154-61[Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003 citing: Salter I:131]

a crusader; fought at the siege of Caesarea, 1158 given custody of thecastle of Harenc by King Baldwin [Ref: Keats-Rohan Domesday Desc. p698,citing Robert de Torigni]

he d. shortly after 1164, acc. to K. Keats-Rohan (his son Bernard finedfor having livery of his father's lands in Horton and Beckley, 1167/8)[Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003]

said by Hollister to have supported William II ('Rufus'), King of Englandagainst his brother Robert, 1091 - either very young at the time, orconfusion for a near relation [using his name instead of his father's,perhaps] (p. 69) [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003]

Regards,
Curt.

     Bernard IV de St. Valery , of Beckley & Horton married an unknown person.³ He was born in 1117 at Horton, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England. He was the son of Reginald (Rainald) II de St. Valery , of Beckley. Bernard IV de St. Valery , of Beckley & Horton married Eleanor (AenorAanor) de Dommart after 1151.³ Bernard IV de St. Valery , of Beckley & Horton died in 1190 at Beckley, Headington, Oxfordshire, England.⁴
     He The following is Excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Sep 2002, by JohnRavilious:

From: John Ravilious (Therav3 AT aol.com)
Subject: Re: Reginald de St. Valery and His Descendants
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-30 09:39:35 PST
Monday, 30 September, 2002

He [Reynold de St. Valery] died probably in 1166-7 and was succeeded byhis eldest son Bernard, who in 1166-7 paid a fine for livery of Beckleyand Horton. He seems to have died shortly after 1191, and was succeededby his second son Thomas, who paid a relief in 1191--2.

     Bernard III de St. Valery , of Tetbury was born in 1061 at Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England. He was the son of Walter (Gauthier) de St. Valery , of Tetbury and Elizabeth (Isabel) de Montlhery. Bernard III de St. Valery , of Tetbury married an unknown person circa 1090 at Isleworth, Middlesex, England. He died after 1115.

     Ralph VI de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead was born circa 1189 at Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England.^1,3 He was the son of Roger V de Toeni , de Conches, Lord Flamstead and Constance de Beaumont. Ralph VI de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead married Petronilla (Pernel) de Lacy, daughter of Walter de Lacy , Lord of Meath and Margaret de Braose, circa 1233.^1,2,4 Ralph VI de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead died on 29 September 1239; At sea.^1,3
     He Ralph, called de Toeni; born probably 1189 or 1190; married c1233 Pernel,daughter of Walter de Lacy, and died c autumn 1239. [Burke's Peerage]

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RALPH DE TOENI VI, 1st son and heir, was born probably in 1189 or 1190.In 1204, with his father and brother or brothers, he was excluded by theKing of France from the terms of the pacification in Normandy. King Johnordered the manors of Saham and Ryhcot to be restored to him, 5 November1213; and he was with the King at Partenay, in Poitou, 26 May 1214.Presumably he supported John in the civil war, for on 7 April 1216 theKing granted him the lands which had been held by Richard de Montfichetin Essex, Bucks, Cambridge, Norfolk, Suffolk and Hunts; but soonafterwards he must have joined the rebellious barons, for John orderedthe sheriff of co. Worcester, 16 July 1216, to give Robert de Mortimerseisin of the land of Abberley, held by Ralph, and on 5 Septemberfollowing he gave the manor of Flamstead to Waleran Tyes. By Henry IIIRalph was granted the manor of Newport, Essex, during pleasure, 27 June1218. Shortly before 20 September 1233 he was given the custody of MaudCastle (Painscastle, co. Radnor); and later in that year he and John deMonmouth were appointed generals of the Poitevin mercenaries in the Welshmarches against the Earl of Pembroke and Llewellyn. On 11 March 1233/4 hewas ordered to keep the truce with Llewellyn until 25 July; with othernobles he was forbidden, 2 September 1234, to go to tournaments arrangedat Northampton, Cambridge or elsewhere; and he was summoned, 7 March1237/8, with other barons of the Welsh marches, to be at Oxford afterEaster to confer with the King. In 1239 he took the Cross and set out forthe Holy Land. He is said to have founded a monastery in the west ofEngland.

He m., between November 1232 and 1234, Pernel, daughter of Walter DE LACY(elder brother of Hugh, Earl of Ulster), presumably by his wife Margaret,daughter of William DE BRIOUZE. He died about Michaelmas 1239 at sea. Hiswidow, who was granted the custody of Maud Castle, 1247-20 June 1251married, before 15 October 1256, Willian DE ST. OMER, and was living, 25November 1288. [Complete Peerage XII/1:769-71, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]

     Petronilla (Pernel) de Lacy died AFT 9 MAR 1289/90.⁴ She was born circa 1196 at Trim Castle, Meath, Ireland. She was the daughter of Walter de Lacy , Lord of Meath and Margaret de Braose. Petronilla (Pernel) de Lacy married Ralph VI de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead, son of Roger V de Toeni , de Conches, Lord Flamstead and Constance de Beaumont, circa 1233.^1,2,5 Petronilla (Pernel) de Lacy married an unknown person before 15 October 1256.⁶
     She Pernel, daughter of Walter de Lacy. [Burke's Peerage]

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He [Ralph de Toeni] m., between November 1232 and 1234, Pernel, daughterof Walter DE LACY (elder brother of Hugh, Earl of Ulster), presumably byhis wife Margaret, daughter of William DE BRIOUZE. He died aboutMichaelmas 1239 at sea. His widow, who was granted the custody of MaudCastle, 1247-20 June 1251 married, before 15 October 1256, Willian DE ST.OMER, and was living, 25 November 1288. [Complete Peerage XII/1:769-71,(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Roger V de Toeni , de Conches, Lord Flamstead died AFT JAN 1208/09.^2,3 He was born circa 1160 at Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England.² He was the son of Ralph V de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead and Margaret de Beaumont. Roger V de Toeni , de Conches, Lord Flamstead married Constance de Beaumont, daughter of Richard I Seigneur de Beaumont , Vicomte Maine and Lucie de l' Aigle, before 1190.²
     Roger V de Toeni , de Conches, Lord Flamstead Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; accompanied Richard I on 3rdCrusade; his remaining Norman fiefs captured from him by the King ofFrance by 1204; married Constance, daughter of Richard de Beaumont,Vicomte of Beaumont, and died c Jan 1208/9. [Burke's Peerage]

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ROGER DE TOENI IV, styled also DE CONCHES, son and heir, was only alittle boy at his father's death, and took no part in affairs until afterthe accession of Richard I. On 25 November 1189 he was with the King atWestminster; on 6 December at Dover; and doubtless he crossed to Calaiswith Richard on 12 December. On 2 January 1189/90 at Verneuil Roger deToeny and Gilbert Crespin of Tillières in the King's presence made giftsto St. Evroul; and as they were about to leave for Jerusalem and had nottheir seals with them, the King at their request confirmed the agreementwith his own seal. Roger with his brothers and kinsfolk called 'deCornebu' [sic, recte Tornebu] reached Acre about 8 June 1191. On 7September 1191 he distinguished himself in Richard's victory at Arsuf. Hewas with the King at Jaffa (Joppa) on 10 January 1191/2; and in June hefought in the battle when Richard captured the Saracen convoy atEl-Khuweilfe. His subsequent movements are obscure, but on 6 January1193/4 he was with the King at Speyer. At Michaelmas 1196 he owed 40 s.for his scutage for the King's ransom, 40 s. for the 2nd scutage for thearmy of Normandy and 40 s. for the 3rd scutage for the army of Normandyafter the King's return from Germany. In June or July 1197 he was one ofthose who swore at Les Andelys on behalf of Richard to observe the treatywith the Count of Flanders. At Michaelmas 1198 he owed £272 in Normandyfor the balance of the tallage on his land there for the King's ransom,as well as other sums. On 7 April 1199 (the day after Richard's death) hewas at Le Vaudreuil with the Archbishop of Canterbury and other magnates.In the new reign he continued to enjoy royal favour and was faithful toJohn. On 15 and 18 August 1199 at Les Andelys he was one of John'ssureties who swore to observe his treaties with the Count of Boulogne andthe Count of Flanders. On 22 September 1199 the King granted him at LeMans the manor of Saham (Norf.), for 140 librates of land which he owedhim for his homage when he (John) was Count of Mortain. In May 1200 hewas one of the sureties who were named in the treaty with France and gavebonds to Philip. He then recovered his castle of Conches, which had beentaken by the King of France in September 1199. On 5 February 1202/3 atRouen John remitted £200 which Roger owed for the balance of tallage onhis land for King Richard's ransom and £100 which Richard had lent himfor fortifying his house at Tosni. In 1203 the King of France recapturedhis castle of Tosni; and in 1204 Roger finally lost all his Norman lands,being one of those excluded by Philip from the terms of the pacification.In England he continued to attest royal charters until his death and toenjoy royal favour. On 27 March 1204 the King at Windsor granted him landto the value of £76 and 15 pence at St. Botulf and a fair; on 9 November30 librates of land in Norfolk; and on 30 November 30 librates in Devon.On 7 December 1205 Walter de Clifford was ordered to restore the castleof Boskeret to Roger. At Michaelmas 1208 he rendered account for 10 marksfor the diversion of a road which passed through the middle of the courtof the canons of Westacre. Together with William, Earl of Salisbury, hebecame a surety for John de Mohun, later than Michaelmas 1208. He foundedthe little nunnery of St. Giles in the Wood, near Flamstead.

He married Constance, daughter of Richard DE BEAUMONT, SEIGNEUR OFBEAUMONT-LE-VICOMTE, FRESNAY AND STE-SUZANNE, hereditary vicomte of Maine(usually styled VICOMTE DE BEAUMONT). Constance, whose sister Ermengardmarried William the Lion, King of Scotland, brought her husband in freemarriage the manor of Ailrichescot (South Tawton) in Devon, which Henry Ihad given in free marriage with her grandmother, his illegitimatedaughter Constance, to Roscelin de Beaumont, styled Vicomte de Beaumont.She seems to have possessed considerable influence and to have enjoyedfavour with John; but the King of France confiscated her Norman lands.Roger was living, 29 December 1208, but died shortly afterwards, probablyin January 1208/9. His widow had Stratfield restored to her after hisdeath. She was living in 1226 across the seas. [Complete PeerageXII/1:765-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Constance de Beaumont was born circa 1170 at Beaumont-sur-Sarthe(le-Vicomte), Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France. She was the daughter of Richard I Seigneur de Beaumont , Vicomte Maine and Lucie de l' Aigle. Constance de Beaumont married Roger V de Toeni , de Conches, Lord Flamstead, son of Ralph V de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead and Margaret de Beaumont, before 1190.² Constance de Beaumont died after 1226 at France.^2,3
     She Constance, daughter of Richard de Beaumont, Vicomte of Beaumont. [Burke'sPeerage]

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He married Constance, daughter of Richard DE BEAUMONT, SEIGNEUR OFBEAUMONT-LE-VICOMTE, FRESNAY AND STE-SUZANNE, hereditary vicomte of Maine(usually styled VICOMTE DE BEAUMONT). Constance, whose sister Ermengardmarried William the Lion, King of Scotland, brought her husband in freemarriage the manor of Ailrichescot (South Tawton) in Devon, which Henry Ihad given in free marriage with her grandmother, his illegitimatedaughter Constance, to Roscelin de Beaumont, styled Vicomte de Beaumont.She seems to have possessed considerable influence and to have enjoyedfavour with John; but the King of France confiscated her Norman lands.Roger was living, 29 December 1208, but died shortly afterwards, probablyin January 1208/9. His widow had Stratfield restored to her after hisdeath. She was living in 1226 across the seas. [Complete PeerageXII/1:765-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Walter de Lacy , Lord of Meath died BEF 24 FEB 1240/41 at Trim Castle, Meath, Ireland.^1,3,4 He was born circa 1172 at Ewyas Harold, Herefordshire, England.² He was the son of Hugh de Lacy , Lord of Meath and Rohese (Rose) de Monmouth.
     Walter de Lacy , Lord of Meath Trim Castle:

As the borough of Trim developed to the northwest of the castle, thebarbican gate provided a new entrance from the south. In 1224, Walter deLacy, besieged the castle, reclaiming it from his rebellious kinsmen. Asa result, the northern defences and the Trim Gate required majorrepairs. When Walter died in 1241 the estates passed to hisgranddaughter, Maud who married Geoffrey de Geneville in 1254--thebeginning of a period of prosperity for Trim. [Trim Castle VisitorsGuide, Duchas--The Heritage Service of Ireland]

     Margaret de Braose was born circa 1177 at Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales. She was the daughter of William III de Braose , 11th Lord Abergavenny and Maude de St. Valery. Margaret de Braose died on 19 November 1200 at Weobley, Herefordshire, England.²

     Ralph V de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead was born circa 1125 at Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England. He was the son of Roger III de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead and Ida (Gertrude) of Hainault. Ralph V de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead married Margaret de Beaumont, daughter of Robert II de Beaumont , 2nd Earl of Leicester and Amice de Montfort, after 1155.⁴ Ralph V de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead died in 1162.^1,3
     He Ralph, called de Toeni or de Conches; married Margaret, daughter ofRobert, 2nd Earl of Leicester of the post-Conquest creation made infavour of Robert's father Robert de Beaumont, and died 1162. [Burke'sPeerage]

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RALPH DE TOENI V, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was with theDuke of Normandy (afterwards Henry II) at Le Lierru in the Forest ofConches in 1154 (April-December); and after Henry had ascended the thronehe was with him at Bonneville-sur-Touques (1156-62). He survived hisfather.

He married Margaret, daughter of Robert, 2nd EARL OF LEICESTER, by Amice,daughter of Ralph, SEIGNEUR OF GAEL AND MONTFORT in Brittany. He died in1162. His widow had Walthamstow, Essex, in dower; and also held land atPont-St.-Pierre and other places in Normandy. In 1185 she was said to be60 years of age. [Complete Peerage XII/1:764-5, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]

     Margaret de Beaumont was born in 1125 at Leicestershire, England.³ She was the daughter of Robert II de Beaumont , 2nd Earl of Leicester and Amice de Montfort. Margaret de Beaumont married Ralph V de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead, son of Roger III de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead and Ida (Gertrude) of Hainault, after 1155.⁴ Margaret de Beaumont died after 1185.^1,3
     She Margaret, daughter of Robert, 2nd Earl of Leicester of the post-Conquestcreation made in favour of Robert's father Robert de Beaumont. [Burke'sPeerage]

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He [Ralph de Toeni] married Margaret, daughter of Robert, 2nd EARL OFLEICESTER, by Amice, daughter of Ralph, SEIGNEUR OF GAEL AND MONTFORT inBrittany. He died in 1162. His widow had Walthamstow, Essex, in dower;and also held land at Pont-St.-Pierre and other places in Normandy. In1185 she was said to be 60 years of age. [Complete Peerage XII/1:764-5,(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Roger III de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead died BEF FEB 1161/62.^1,3 He was born circa 1104 at Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England.^1,3 He was the son of Ralph IV de Toeni , de Conches, Lord Flamstead and Alice de Huntingdon.
     Roger III de Toeni , Lord of Flamstead Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; married Ida,daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died between autumn 1157and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]

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ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was bornprobably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 heattested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestorsand himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to have wagedwar with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspected that hewas preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu,on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, and sent his ownsoldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After the King's death Rogersupported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maud against Stephen. AfterEaster 1136 hostilities began between him and the King's generals, thetwins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert, Earl of Leicester; and civilwar raged in May and June. In the autumn the fighting flared up again;but on 3 October Roger was ambushed and captured by Count Waleran andHenry de la Pommeraye. His land was laid under an interdict and he waskept in prison for more than 6 months, but was released in 1137. In May1138 he was attacked by the Count of Meulan and William d'Ypres, butdefended himself successfully; and on 7 September he captured Breteuiland burnt the town. However, before the end of 1138 he made peace withthe twin Earls, who conducted him to England, where he was reconciled toKing Stephen. Nothing is known of what happened to his English landsduring this period. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy,at Rouen. After Henry had become King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour;for between Michaelmas 1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100solidates of land at Holkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeysof la Noë, Conches and Bec.

He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, by Yolande,daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had in marriage fromHenry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt,Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162.[Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Following copied from soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup:

From: Paul C. Reed (reedpcgen AT aol.com)
Subject: Idenity of Countess Ida revisited [2nd try]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/01/06

Roger de Toeni [the third of that name, or III] was born ca. 1104, anddied after Michaelmas 1157, presumably before his son died in 1162. Hemarried Ida of Hainault, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, byhis wife Yolande de Guelders. It is not known when Ida died, but shepresumably survived him, as Henry II granted her [Ida de Tounay] land atGarsington, co. Oxford [Rot. Hund.].

This couple had four known sons:
(1) Ralph de Toeni [V], who succeeded his father and died 1262/3, havingmarried Margaret de Beaumont.
(2) Roger de Toeni, Jr., dead by 1185, when his wife Ade/Alda de Chaumontwas holding land at Holkington, co. Norfolk, of her son Baldwin de Toeni[II] (1170-1216), Seigneur de Acquigny, apparently father of Roger deAkeny and Sir William Dakeny [Acquigny]. The Rotuli de Dominabus statesthat Ade/Alda was born about 1155, and that she had five daughters asidefrom her son Baldwin. [Does anyone have any Dakeny ancestry?]
(3) Baldwin de Toeni, who settled in Hainault [having resided with hisuncle Baldwin IV], where he died in 1170, leaving issue.
(4) Geoffrey de Toeni, a cleric who flourished 1157-62, 1177.


Two daughters have also been mentioned before:

1) Goda (c1136-) m Walchieline de Ferrers

2)Godeheut de Toeni (-<1186) m William de Mohun (<1143-1176); Of Dunster;s
of William by Agnes de Gaunt. They left Agnes and Yolante

[Latter posting on daughters from Adrian Channing, 10 Jan 2000].

     Ida (Gertrude) of Hainault was born circa 1109 at Hainault, Belgium.⁴ She was the daughter of Baudouin III Count of Hainault and Yolande von Wassenberg , of Guelders. Ida (Gertrude) of Hainault died after 1162 at Garsington, Headington, Oxfordshire, England.⁵
     She Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault. [Burke's Peerage]

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He [Roger de Toeni] married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OFHAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her hehad in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesneat East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probablybefore 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]

     Hugh de Lacy , Lord of Meath was buried at Bective Abbey, Meath, Ireland (body), Dublin, Ireland. He married Rohese (Rose) de Monmouth, daughter of Baderon (Badeion) de Monmouth and Rohesia de Clare.² Hugh de Lacy , Lord of Meath was born circa 1125 at Ewias Lacy, Herefordshire, England. He was the son of Gilbert I de Lacy , of Hereford and Agnes (?). Hugh de Lacy , Lord of Meath married an unknown person before 1181.³ He died on 25 July 1186 at Durrow, Ireland.^1,2
     He In 1272, Hugh de Lacy was granted the Liberty of Meath by Henry II whosought to limit the expansionist policies of Strongbow [Richard deClare], whom he feared might set up an independent Anglo-Norman kingdomin Ireland. Soon after his arrival at Trim, de Lacy built a woodencastle, the spike stockade mentioned in the 'Song of Dermot and theEarl'--a poem of the period.

De Lacy left one of his barons, Hugh Tyrell, in charge, but whenO'Connor, King of Connacht, threatened, Tyrell abandoned and burned thecastle. By 1176, this wooden fortification had been replaced with astone keep or tower. When the site was secure, the castle yard wassurrounded by curtain walls and moat with a simple gate and bridge to thenorth. Analyses of samples of surviving structural timbers show that thekeep was extended in at least two more phases and remodelled in thelifetime of Walter de Lacy, Hugh's son. Later, fore-buildings were builtto protect the entrance to the keep. [Trim Castle Visitors Guide,Duchas--The Heritage Service of Ireland]

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Hugh was killed in Durrow while overseeing the building of a smallercastle. A man, who had gotten close to Hugh pulled an axe from under hiscloak and lopped Hugh's head off. His body was buried at the BectiveAbbey about 8 kms. from Trim Castle while his head was buried near his1st wife in Dublin. The Cistercian Monks of Bective Abbey had hopes thatthe possession of Hugh's body would give them rights to Trim Castle andthe extensive lands associated with it. However the king took the castleand lands until Walter came of age, at which time Richard I gave them toWalter.

     Rohesia de Clare was born circa 1110 at Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England. She was the daughter of Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare , & Tonbridge, Sir and Adeliza (Adelaide) de Clermont. Rohesia de Clare died in 1149.

     Walter (Gauthier) de St. Valery , of Tetbury married Elizabeth (Isabel) de Montlhery, daughter of Guy I Seigneur de Montlhery , & Chevreuse and Hodierne de Gometz , Dame de la Ferte. Walter (Gauthier) de St. Valery , of Tetbury was born in 1035 at St Valery-en-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He was the son of Bernard II de St. Valery. Walter (Gauthier) de St. Valery , of Tetbury died after 1086 at Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England.³

     Bernard II de St. Valery was born in 1005 at St Valery-en-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He was the son of Gulbert Advocate de St. Valery and Pappia of Normandy. Bernard II de St. Valery married an unknown person circa 1034 at of St Valery, France. He died on 14 October 1066 at Battle of Hastings, Sussex, England.

     Gulbert Advocate de St. Valery was born in 977 at St Valery-en-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He married Pappia of Normandy, daughter of Richard I 'The Fearless' Duke of Normandy and (?) Concubine(s), circa 1004 at of St Valery, France. Gulbert Advocate de St. Valery died after 1011.¹
     He Protector of Monastery of Fecamp.

     Pappia of Normandy was born in 980 at Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. She was the daughter of Richard I 'The Fearless' Duke of Normandy and (?) Concubine(s). Pappia of Normandy married Gulbert Advocate de St. Valery circa 1004 at of St Valery, France.

     Adela d' Eu was born circa 985 at Eu, Dieppe, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. She was the daughter of Godfrey FitzRichard of Brionne , Comte d'Eu and Hawise de Guines.

     William l Comte Heimois & d' Eu died BEF 4 JAN 1038/39 at Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France. He was born circa 970 at Exmes (Heimois), Orne, Normandy, France. He was the son of Richard I 'The Fearless' Duke of Normandy and (?) Concubine(s). William l Comte Heimois & d' Eu married Beatrice le Goz, daughter of Ansfred II Onfror le Goz, after 1007. William l Comte Heimois & d' Eu married an unknown person before 1014.
     He After Godfrey's Count of Eu rebelled c996, William was given the title ofComte d'Eu. He had already been Count of Heimois (or Exmes as it is nowknown).

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The following information was in a post-em from Curt Hofemann,curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

ID: I03516 William Hieme Count d' Eu

I have seen it written ‘Heimes’ or ‘the Heimois’.
Also from below it appears that EU was originally called ‘Exmes’ and/or’the Exmesin of Heimois’.

died: (take your choice):
2.I kurz vor (shortly bef) 1040 [Ref: ES III:693]
about 1054 [Ref: David C. Douglas 'William the Conqueror']
Jan 2 year unknown but before wife (d. Jan 26 1057/8) [Ref: CP V:151]
Jan 2-26 1057/8 [Ref: Moriarty p267]

founded Collegiate Church of Eu [Ref: CP V:151]
received from father the comte of the Exmesin of Hiemois. [Ref: CP V:151]
Comte d'Hiemois, Comte d'Eu [Ref: Leo van de Pashttp://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/bio/roberteubio.html]
Count of Exmes (later Eu) [Ref:http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/james/f030.htm#I1402X2]
Count d'Exmes (Eu), Earl of Arques and Toulouse [Ref: Malinda Thiesse 20Jul 2002] Note: Earl is an English _only_ title & I am skeptical of hisconnection to Toulouse in far se France whereas his father was ducd'Normandie in far nw France... Curt
Lord of Montruel [Ref: Turton] Note: Montreuil?

rebelled against half-brother, Richard II, and was imprisoned at Rouen.After escaping, he submitted to the Duke, was pardoned, and was given thecomte of Eu, of which his nephew, Gilbert (ancestor of the family ofClare) had been recently deprived. [Ref: CP V:151] Note: CP has (Ibelieve) confused the chronology. It was William’s brotherGodfrey/Godfroi who rebelled & was deprived of Eu. Godfrey’s son(William's nephew) Gilbert/Giselbert ‘Crispin’ did assume the land andtitle when William died, but he was assassinated in 1040. Note: Gilbert’sdate of death from Altschul, ES III:156, Wagner, Watney & Wurts who allsay either 1040 or thereabouts seems to confirm the date of death ofWilliam per ES III:693 as shortly bef. 1040… Curt

When Godfrey was deprived, Eu was awarded to his brother William, whohad been Count of Heimois. [Ref: TAF 28 Mar 2001]

Regards,
Curt

Note: In terms of the death date, I will keep the one I have becauseGilbert (who I have as his son-in-law) became Count of Eu and d. 1040; soWilliam had to have died at least a year or two before 1040.

     Gerard II Count von Wassenberg was born circa 1013 at Wassenberg, Lorraine now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany. He was the son of Gerard I Count von Wassenberg. Gerard II Count von Wassenberg died in 1086.
     He Vassel of Bishop Utrecht.

     Richard I Seigneur de Beaumont , Vicomte Maine was born circa 1133 at Beaumont-sur-Sarthe(le-Vicomte), Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France. He was the son of Roscelin de Beaumont , Vicomte du Maine and Constance FitzHenry. Richard I Seigneur de Beaumont , Vicomte Maine died after 1194.¹

     Baudouin II Count of Clermont was born in 990 at Clermont-en-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. He was the son of Baudouin I Count of Clermont.

     Baudouin I Count of Clermont was born in 965 at Clermont-en-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France.