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     Roger De Mortimer was born on 25 April 1287 at Netherwood, Thornbury, Hartfordshire, England.^1,2 He was the son of Edmund de Mortimer and Margaret de Fiennes. Roger De Mortimer married Joan De Geneville before 6 October 1306 at England.³ Roger De Mortimer was buried in 1330 at England.³ He died on 29 November 1330 at age 43.^1,2
     He was Lord lieutenant of Ireland; 1st Earl of March.⁴

     Robert FitzRoger , 1st Baron Clavering, Sir was born circa 1241.⁴ He was the son of Roger FitzJohn , Lord of Warkworth & Clavering and Isabel de Merlay. Robert FitzRoger , 1st Baron Clavering, Sir was born in 1247 at Warkworth Castle, Alnwick, Northumberland, England.⁵ He married Margery (Mary) la ZOUCHE, daughter of Alan la Zouche Lord of Ashby and Ellen (Helen) (Elena) de Quincy, in 1265.¹ Robert FitzRoger , 1st Baron Clavering, Sir died in 1310 at Clavering, Saffron Walden, Essex, England.^5,3
     He Robert Fitz Roger, b. 1247, d. 1310, Lord Fitz Roger of Clavering, MP1295-1309; m. 1265 Margery de la Zouche. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY OF CLAVERING OR FITZROGER (I) 1295

ROBERT FITZROGER, son and heir of Roger FITZJOHN, of Clavering, Essex, ofWarkworth, Northumberland, of Horsford Norfolk, &c. (d. about Whitsuntide1249), was very young at his father's death. He was summoned to attendthe King at Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283 by writ directed Roberto filioRogeri. He was excused 14 June 1294 from attendance on the King inGascony, anddistinguished himself in the war with Scotland, 1294-98,being with his son) at the siege of Carlaverock. He was summoned toParliament from 2 November 1295 to 26 October 1309, by writs directedRoberto filio Rogeri, whereby he is held to have become LORD FITZROGER.He was one of the barons who, in February 1300/1, took p[art in thecelebrated letter to Pope Boniface VIII, being therein described asRobertus filius Rogeri dominus de Claveryng.

He married Margaret, daughter of Sir Alan DE LA ZOUCHE of Asby, co.Leicester. He died 1310. [Complete Peerage III:274-5, XIV:186,(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Roger Fitz-John d. in 1249, and was s. by his son, Robert Fitz-Roger,then in infancy, whose tuition was committed to William de Valence, theking's half-brother, although Ada de Baliol, the grandmother of thischild, offered 2,200 marks for the wardship. This feudal lord becameeventually so eminent in the Scottish wars of King Edward I, particularlyin the battle of Falkirk, and other memorable conflicts, that he wassummoned as 'Robert Fitz-Roger' to parliament as a Baron, from 2November, 1295, to 16 June (4th Edward II), 1311, and subsequentlyassisted with his son, John, who assumed, by the king's appointment, thesurname of Clavering, at the celebrated siege of Caerlaverock. Hislordship m. Margaret de la Zouche, and had issue, seven son, viz., John,his successor; Edmund, Alexander, Robert, Henry, Roger, all d. s. p;Alan (Sir), m. Isabella, eldest dau. and co-heir of William Riddell, andfrom this union descended the Claverings of Callaly, in Northumberland,the Baronets Clavering of Axwell, co. Durham, the Claverings ofLearchild, the Claverings of Tilmouth, co. Durham, &c. He d. about theyear 1311, and was s. by his eldest son, John de Clavering. [Sir BernardBurke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883,p. 121, Clavering, Barons Clavering]

     Roger FitzJohn , Lord of Warkworth & Clavering was born circa 1210 at Warkworth, Northumberland, England. He was born circa 1220 at Warkworth Castle, Alnwick, Northumberland, England. He died in 1249 at Normandy, France. He died in 1249 at Horsford, St. Faith's, Norfolk, England.¹
     He Roger Fitz John, d. Normandy, about Whitsun 1249, lord of Warkworth andof Clavering; m. Isabel. [Magna Charta Sureties]

     Alianore Holand was born circa 1384 at Upholland, Lancashire, England. She was the daughter of Thomas de Holand 2nd Earl of Kent, KG, Sir and Alice FitzAlan. Alianore Holand married Thomas of Salisbury de Montacute, son of John de Montagu and Maud Fraunceys, on 23 May 1399.

     Malcolm II MacKenneth King of Scotland married an unknown person. He married Blanaid nic Brian , of Munster after 948. Malcolm II MacKenneth King of Scotland was born in 954 at Scotland.⁴ He died on 25 November 1034 at Glamis, Angus, Scotland; (murdered).^1,4
     He Malcolm took advantage of the fact that the English were preoccupied withDanish raids and marched south, winning the Battle of Carham against theAngles in 1018 and thereby regaining Lothian. Thirteen years later KingCanute invaded Scotland and forced Malcolm to submit to him. However,Canute seems to have recognized Malcolm's possession of Lothian.

After Malcolm II's reign, Scottish succession was based on the principleof direct descent. Previously, succession was determined by tanistry -during a king's lifetime an heir was chosen and known as 'tanaiste rig'(second to the king). He was Type: Ruled between 1005 and 1034.

     William II de Braose , 10th Lord of Abergavenny was born in 1112 at Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales. He was the son of Philip Baron de Braose , Sir and Aenor de Totnes , Heiress of Barnstaple. William II de Braose , 10th Lord of Abergavenny married Bertha de Gloucester , Heiress of Brecon, daughter of Miles of Gloucester , 1st Earl of Hereford and Sybil de Neufmarche, circa 1150.² William II de Braose , 10th Lord of Abergavenny died before 1193 at Weobley, Herefordshire, England.^2,4
     He From c1173 to 1230 successive fathers, sons, and younger brothers calledde Briouze were feudal lords of Abergavenny. William de Briouze, thefirst of them, who derived his name from his lordship of Briouze inNormandy, married the sister and coheir of the 2nd Earl of Hereford (alsodaughter of 1st Earl) mentioned above, which seems to account for hiscoming into possession of a lordship in that part of the Welsh marches.[Burke's Peerage]

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OWNERS of the LORDSHIP of ABERGAVENNY (X) 1173?

William de Briouze (e), Lord of Briouze in Normandy, and of Bramber,Sussex, son and heir of Philip de Briouze, be Aenor, daughter and heir ofJuhel son of Alvred, Lord of Barnstaple and Totnes. He married, in orbefore 1150, Bertha, 2nd sister and coheir of William of Hereford beingdaughter of Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Gloucester (sic. Earl ofHereford). Sheriff of Hereford, Easter 1173-75, at which earlier dateprobably he already possessed the Lordship of Over Gwent. He was livingin 1179. [Complete Peerage I:21-2, XIV:6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(e) Briouze-Saint-Gervais (formerly Braiose), arrond. of Argentan, dept.of Orne. His descendants spelt the name Brewes. In some 25 earlyreferences to this name, not in charter latin, it appears as Breouse,Breuse, or Brewys (the last of which still exists as a surname), butnever as Braose, the form adopted in peerages, for which it seemsdoubtful if there be any good authority.

Note: The above text '1st Earl of Gloucester', which was part of acorrection in CP XIV:6, is a mistake; Miles was Earl of Hereford.

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William was very fortunate in his marriage to Berta. All of her brothersdied young without heirs, so she brought a number of important lordshipsto the de Braoses in 1166. These included Brecon and Abergavenny.William became Sheriff of Hereford in 1174. His interest in Sussex wasmaintained as he confirmed the grants of his father and grandfather forthe maintenance of Sele Priory and extended St Mary's, Shoreham.

See St Mary's, Shoreham, Sussex.

William m. Berta, dau. of Milo de Gloucester, Earl of Hereford, andco-heir of her brother, William, Earl of Hereford, by whom he acquiredBrecknock, with other extensive territorial possessions. He had two sons,William and Reginald, and was s. by the elder. [Sir Bernard Burke,Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd.,London, 1883, p. 72, Braose, Baron Braose, of Gower]

     Bertha de Gloucester , Heiress of Brecon was born circa 1130 at Brecon (Aberhonddu), Powys, Wales. She was the daughter of Miles of Gloucester , 1st Earl of Hereford and Sybil de Neufmarche. Bertha de Gloucester , Heiress of Brecon married William II de Braose , 10th Lord of Abergavenny, son of Philip Baron de Braose , Sir and Aenor de Totnes , Heiress of Barnstaple, circa 1150.²
     Bertha de Gloucester , Heiress of Brecon He [William de Briouze] married, in or before 1150, Bertha, 2nd sisterand coheir of William of Hereford being daughter of Miles of Gloucester,1st Earl of Gloucester. Sheriff of Hereford, Easter 1173-75, at whichearlier date probably he already possessed the Lordship of Over Gwent. Hewas living in 1179. [Complete Peerage I:21-2, XIV:6, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]

Note: The above text '1st Earl of Gloucester', which was part of acorrection in CP XIV:6, is a mistake; Miles was Earl of Hereford.

     Robert II (Hugo) Count of Meulan was born circa 966 at Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France. He was the son of Waleran II (Robert) Count of Meulan. Robert II (Hugo) Count of Meulan died in 991.¹
     He The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann ATyahoo.com:

ID: I00298 Robert II Count of Meulan

ES III:701A shows 'Hugo I & dau Gautier II Cte de Valois'.

died: kurz nach 25.VIII 1005 [Ref: ES III:657 & 701A] (shortly before 25Aug 1005)

ES lists his father's name as Galeran, but I've also seen Waleran. AlsoI've seen Count of Meulan or Meullant.

So is it Hugo or Robert? ES is usually more reliable than Turton, but ESis not without it's faults too.

Regards,
Curt.

     Adela (Alix) de Vexin was born circa 970 at Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France. She was the daughter of Walter II Count of Vexin & Amiens & Valois and Adele de Senlis.

     Robert de Brus , of Normandy died Deceased at Bruis Castle, Brix, Manche, Normandy, France. He married an unknown person. He was born circa 1030 at Orkney, Orkney Islands, Scotland.² He was the son of Ragnvald II Brusisson , Jarl of Orkney and Arlogia of Orkney.
     Robert de Brus , of Normandy The following information was posted by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann ATyahoo.com, in a post-em (Although he doesn't say it in this post-em, Curtdoesn't like it when I follow various unscourced pedigrees such asRobert's descent from Ragnvald II Brusisson, Jarl of Orkney. This onemakes some sense because of the names.):

from Bruis in Normandy, came to England with or shortly after William I[Ref: Paget p155]

Bruce family: also spelled BRUIS, BRIX, or BROASE, an old Scottishfamily of Norman French descent, to which two kings of Scotland belonged.The name is traditionally derived from Bruis or Brix, the site of aformer Norman castle between Cherbourg and Valognes in France.

The family is descended from Robert de Bruce (d. 1094?), a Normanknight who came to England with William I the Conqueror and who wasawarded by the gift of many manors, chiefly in Yorkshire, of whichSkelton was the principal. [Ref: Ency Britannica Online]

Regards,
Curt.

     Gunnora (?) was born circa 1030 at France. She died before 1050.

     Roger de Beaumont , Seigneur de Pont-Audemer was buried at Abbey of Preaux, Normandy, France. He was born circa 1022 at Beaumont-le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France.⁴ He was the son of Humphrey de PontAudemer , Seigneur de Vieilles and Aubreye de la Haye , Heir of Forest of Brotonne. Roger de Beaumont , Seigneur de Pont-Audemer married Adeline de Meulan, daughter of Waleran III Count of Meulan and Ode (Oda) de Conteville, in 1040 at Ile de France, France. Roger de Beaumont , Seigneur de Pont-Audemer died circa 1094 at Abbey of Preaux, Normandy, France; (as a monk).¹
     He Roger de Beaumont; Seigneur (feudal Lord) of Beaumont, Pontaudemer,Brionne and Vatteville, Normandy; married Adeline, sister of Hugh Countof Meulan and daughter by his 1st wife of Waleran Count of Meulan.[Burke's Peerage]

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The well-known Roger de Beaumont held Sturminster Marshal, Dorset, in1086; it descended to the counts of Meulan through Roger's eldest son,Robert count of Meulan. That Roger took his name from Beaumont is a partof the general history of Normandy. It follows that Roger's descendants,the counts of Meulan, the Earls of Leicester, and the Earls of Warwick,all derive from Beaumont-le-Roger. [The Origins of Some Anglo-NormanFamilies]

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ROGER DE BEAUMONT (de Bello Monte), SEIGNEUR of BEAUMONT ANDPONT-AUDEMER, was eldest son of Humphrey. He appears to have remainedfaithful to the young Duke William during the disturbances of the earlierpart of his reign, in the course of which he defeated and slew Roger deTosny. He is said to have furnished 60 ships for the invasion of England.He did not accompany the expedition, but remained in Normandy as theprincipal adviser of the Duchess Maud, to whom the government of theduchy was entrusted. In 1071 the King committed Morcar as a prisoner tohis custody. Up to the year 1082 he constantly appears as a witness tothe charters of William the Conqueror. At the -time of the DomesdaySurvey, 1086, he held land in Dorset and co. Gloucester. About 1088 hefounded the collegiate church of the Holy Trinity at Beaumont-le-Rogerfor canons of St. Frideswide of Oxford. He was a benefactor of St.Pierre-de-Préaux and of St. Wandrille.

He married Adeline, sister of Hugh and daughter of Waleran, COUNTS OFMEULAN. Shortly after 1090 Roger became a monk at the Abbey of Préaux. Hedied some years later, and was buried there with his father. [CompletePeerage VII:522-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Adeline de Meulan was born circa 1022 at Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France. She was the daughter of Waleran III Count of Meulan and Ode (Oda) de Conteville. Adeline de Meulan married Roger de Beaumont , Seigneur de Pont-Audemer, son of Humphrey de PontAudemer , Seigneur de Vieilles and Aubreye de la Haye , Heir of Forest of Brotonne, in 1040 at Ile de France, France. Adeline de Meulan died in 1081 at Sturminster Marshal, Dorset, England.
     She He [Roger de Beaumont] married Adeline, sister of Hugh and daughter ofWaleran, COUNTS OF MEULAN. Shortly after 1090 Roger became a monk at theAbbey of Préaux. He died some years later, and was buried there with hisfather. [Complete Peerage VII:522-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Humphrey de PontAudemer , Seigneur de Vieilles was buried at Abbey of Preaux, Normandy, France. He was born circa 980 at Pont Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France.⁴ He was the son of Turulf (Thorold) Seigneur de Pont Audemer and Duvelina (EvaDulceline) 'not' de Crepon. Humphrey de PontAudemer , Seigneur de Vieilles married Aubreye de la Haye , Heir of Forest of Brotonne circa 1005.⁴ Humphrey de PontAudemer , Seigneur de Vieilles died on 28 September 1044 at Vieilles Landes, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.⁴
     He HUMPHREY DE VIEILLES (de Vetulis), SEIGNEUR OF VIEILLES AND PONT-AUDEMERin Normandy, son of Thorold, SEIGNEUR OF PONT-AUDEMER (c), was one of thefollowers of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, and in ducal charters he occursas a witness among the great lords of Normandy and the adjacent lands. Hefounded at Préaux, near Pont-Audemer, two monasteries: St. Pierre formonks before 1035, and St. Leger for nuns about 1040. He married Aubreye.He is said to have become a monk at St. Pierre-de-Préaux, and, dyingshortly afterwards, was buried there. [Complete Peerage VII:521-2,(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(c) According to the Continuator of William of Jumieges, Thorold was theson of a certain Torf, and he married either 'Wewa' or 'Awelina', sistersof Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I.

     Aubreye de la Haye , Heir of Forest of Brotonne was born circa 984 at Forest of Brotonne, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.³ She married Humphrey de PontAudemer , Seigneur de Vieilles, son of Turulf (Thorold) Seigneur de Pont Audemer and Duvelina (EvaDulceline) 'not' de Crepon, circa 1005.³ Aubreye de la Haye , Heir of Forest of Brotonne died on 20 September 1045.³
     She The Forest of Brotonne 'located in the last loop of the Seine', is southof the Seine in Normandy, which is mostly the Department of Eure, but theDepartment of Seine-Maritime (anciently named Seine-Inferieure) crossesthe Seine to include this land south of the loop.

     Miles of Gloucester , 1st Earl of Hereford was buried at Llanthony without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. He was born in 1092 at Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. He was the son of Walter FitzRoger , Sheriff of Gloucester and Emma de Ballon. Miles of Gloucester , 1st Earl of Hereford married Sybil de Neufmarche, daughter of Bernard de Neufmarche , Lord of Brecon and Nesta verch Osborn, between April 1121 and May 1121.^2,4,3 Miles of Gloucester , 1st Earl of Hereford died on 24 December 1143 at Shot while hunting in Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England.^2,4,3
     He In 1141, during the struggle between the Empress Maud and Stephen I forthe throne the former conferred the Earldom of Hereford on Miles ofGloucester, so-called from his father being hereditary Constable of theshire. Only two years earlier the new Earl had supported Stephen, but ithas been suggested that he went over to the Empress's in part because hisoverlord, the Earl of Gloucester, was one of Henry I's many bastard sons,hence Maud's half brother. (Her generous gifts to Miles of land, houses,and castles, in addition to the Earldom, may have helped win him over.)[Burke's Peerage]

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William II 'Rufus' King of England granted the lordship of 'Over Gwent'which included a castle at the mouth of the Genny where it joins the Usk,probably some time after 1088 to one Hamelin de Ballon, so called fromhis having been born at Ballon, in Maine. Subsequent holders of OverGwent or Abergavenny included the 1st and 2nd Earls of Hereford of the1141 creation and the 2nd Earl's four younger brothers, for all of whom ashadowy family connection with Hamelin de Ballon has been claimed, thoughthis is very hard, if not impossible, to sustain. [Burke's Peerage (page12) on the history of Abergavenny:]

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OWNERS of the LORDSHIP of ABERGAVENNY (III) 1141-2

Miles of Gloucester, hereditary sheriff thereof, and the King'sConstable, son and heir of Walter fitz Roger de Pitres, who held theformer office. He was created Earl of Hereford, 25 Jul 1141. He m.1121, Sibyl, daughter and heir of Bernard de Neufmarche, Lord of Brecon,and d. 24 Dec 1143. [Complete Peerage I:20]

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EARLDOM OF HEREFORD (III, 1) 1141

MILES of GLOUCESTER, son and heir (apparently only son) of WALTER OFGLOUCESTER, hereditary Sheriff of Gloucester and probably constable,received from Henry I in 1121 Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHÉ,in marriage, with all the lands of her father and mother after theirdeath or before if they so willed it, whence came the lordship ofBrecknock. By charter dated at Rouen he was confirmed in all his father'slands held in chief with the office of constable. He accounted forGloucestershire and Staffordshire in 1130-1. At the coming of Stephen hewas one of the great magnates of the West of England, and after joininghim received 2 charters, granting to him and his heirs his whole bonourof Gloucester and of Brecknock and all his lands and holdings inshrievalties and other things as he held them at the death of Henry I thesecond, which is more precise, mentions the constableship of GloucesterCastle. He attended the Easter Court of 1136 and witnessed Stephen'sCharter of Liberties, as constable. He was present at the siege ofShrewsbury in 1138, but joined the Empress on her arrival in I I 39,recciving her at Bristol 'ut dominam,' and taking her to Gloucester,where he did homage and received from her the castle of St. Briavell'sand the whole Forest of Dean. He accompanied her to Winchester, toReading, where he acted as her constable, and to London in 1141. At St.Albans, where she received a deputation from London, she had granted tohim a house in Westminster which had belonged to Gregory, dapifer. Heaccompanied her in her flight to Gloucester, and was with hersubsequently at Oxford, where on 25 July 1141 she created him EARL OFHEREFORD. After this creation at the request of Brien FitzCount and ofMaud de Wallingford, his wife, she granted to him and his heirs thecastle of Abergavenny and all the honour thereof to be held of the saidBrien and Maud and their heirs in fee by the service of 3 knights' fees.

He married, as aforesaid, about April or May 1121, Sibyl, daughter ofBernard DE NEUFMARCHE, lord of Brecknock. He died 24 December 1143, andwas buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside Gloucester,which he had founded. His widow, who is stated to have entered intoreligion after his death, was also buried at Llanthony. [CompletePeerage VI:452-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Sybil de Neufmarche was buried at Llanthony without Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. She was born before 1093 at Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales. She was the daughter of Bernard de Neufmarche , Lord of Brecon and Nesta verch Osborn. Sybil de Neufmarche married Miles of Gloucester , 1st Earl of Hereford, son of Walter FitzRoger , Sheriff of Gloucester and Emma de Ballon, between April 1121 and May 1121.^1,2,3 Sybil de Neufmarche died after 1143; (as a nun).³
     She He [Miles of Gloucester] married, as aforesaid, about April or May 1121,Sibyl, daughter of Bernard DE NEUFMARCHE, lord of Brecknock. He died 24December 1143, and was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Prioryoutside Gloucester, which he had founded. His widow, who is stated tohave entered into religion after his death, was also buried atLlanthony. [Complete Peerage VI:452-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Walter FitzRoger , Sheriff of Gloucester was born circa 1070 at Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. He was the son of Roger de Pitres and Eunice de Baalun. Walter FitzRoger , Sheriff of Gloucester married an unknown person in 1087. He married Emma de Ballon, daughter of Dru de Ballon, in 1091. Walter FitzRoger , Sheriff of Gloucester died in 1129.

     Emma de Ballon was born circa 1070 at Ballon, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France. She was the daughter of Dru de Ballon. Emma de Ballon married Walter FitzRoger , Sheriff of Gloucester, son of Roger de Pitres and Eunice de Baalun, in 1091.

     Roger de Pitres was born in 1047 at Bal de Pitres, France. He was the son of Robert de Brus , of Normandy and Gunnora (?). Roger de Pitres died in 1089 at Gloucestershire, England.

     Eunice de Baalun was born in 1050 at Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. She was the daughter of Drew de Baalun , of Gloucester.

     Isabel (Elizabeth) de Vermandois was born circa 1081 at Valois now Oise, Picardy, France. She was the daughter of Hugh de Crepi Magnus , Duke of Burgundy and Adelaide de Vermandois. Isabel (Elizabeth) de Vermandois married Robert I de Beaumont , 1st Earl of Leicester, son of Roger de Beaumont , Seigneur de Pont-Audemer and Adeline de Meulan, in 1096.^2,5 Isabel (Elizabeth) de Vermandois married an unknown person circa 1118.^2,6 She died between 13 February 1130 and 1131 at Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England.²
     She Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI(styled 'the Great'), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KINGOF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OFVERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of herson the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She diedprobably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribedby Dave Utzinger)]

Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.

     Hugh de Crepi Magnus , Duke of Burgundy was buried at Cathedral of St. Paul de Tarse, Turkey. He was born in 1057 at Reims, Marne, Champagne, France.³ He was the son of Henry I King of France and Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna of Kiev. Hugh de Crepi Magnus , Duke of Burgundy married Adelaide de Vermandois, daughter of Herbert IV Count of Vermandois and Adela de Vexin, in 1067.⁴ Hugh de Crepi Magnus , Duke of Burgundy died on 18 October 1101 at Tarsus, Cilicie (from wounds at Battle of Heraclea).^1,5
     He Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled 'the Great'), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son ofHENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), m. Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert,COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]

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Marquis Orleans, Count Amiens, Paris, Valois, & Vermandois

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Leo van de Pas' data base has Hugh d. 1102, but Chris Phillips seems tohave the better source, which he gives below in response to a requestfrom Leo, on SGM, 22 Jan 2004:

From: Chris Phillips (cgp AT medievalgenealogy.org.uk)
Subject: Re: When DID he die?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-22 00:38:39 PST

Runciman on that page, in a chapter on 'The Crusades of 1101', describesthe Battle of Heraclea, early September 1101, and says this of Hugh:'Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his menrescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His deathtook place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of StPaul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem.'

Runciman's sources for this section are 'Albert of Aix, VIII, 34-40, pp.579-82 (the only full source); Ekkehard, XXIV-XXVI, pp. 30-2'. If you'dlike to follow this to source, both these are available on the gallicawebsite, in the 'Recueil des historiens des croisades series' - put thesenumbers into the 'Recherche libre' field on the search page: N051574 forAlbert; N051575 for Ekkehard.

Chris Phillips

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The following post from Nathaniel Taylor, 22 Jan 2004, gives the storybehind the battle which caused Hugh's death:

Well, it was I who first first posted the death date & circumstances onHugh of Vermandois when I started this whole messy thread. But the 1101date is clearly correct, because Hugh died of wounds after the battle inwhich a Crusader force was annihilated at Heraklea (Asia Minor) in lateSeptember of 1101. There is no mistaking the year, in the chronology ofthe first Crusade's aftermath. Runciman (2:28-29) does not provide aprecise date for that battle, but it was one of three major failures ofWestern forces the Summer and Fall of 1101. See generally his _Historyof the Crusades_, vol. 2, chapter 2, 'The Crusades of 1101.' On thebattle at Heraklea, he says:

'Early in September they [see below] entered Heraclea, which they founddeserted as Konya had been. Just beyond the town flowed the river, oneof the few Anatolian streams to flow abundantly throughout the summer.The Christian warriors, half-mad from thirst, broke their ranks to rushto the welcoming water. But the Turkish army lay concealed in thethickets on the river banks. As the crusaders surged on in disorder, theTurks sprang out on them and surrounded them. There was no time toreform ranks. Panic spread through the Christian army. Horsemen andinfantry were mixed in a dreadful stampede; and as they stumbled in theirattempt to flee they were slaughtered by the enemy. The duke ofAquitaine, followed by one of his grooms, cut his way out and rode intothe mountains. After many days of wandering through the passes he foundhis way to Tarsus. Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle;but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was adying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him therein the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go toJerusalem. Welf of Bavaria only escaped by throwing away all his armer.After several weeks he arrived with two or three attendants at Antioch.Archbishop Thiemo [of Salzburg] was taken prisoner and martyred for hisfaith. The fate of the Margravine of Austria is unknown. Later legendssaid that she ended her days ia captive in a far-off harem, where shegave birth to the Moslem hero Zengi. More probably she was thrown fromher litter in the panic and trampled to death.'

Runciman cites Albert of Aachen, 8.34-40 (pp. 579-82 in the edition hecites); and Ekkehard, 24-26 (pp. 30-32), among other material on thelegend of the the Margravine of Austria, etc.

Nat Taylor.

     Adelaide de Vermandois was born circa 1057 at Valois now Oise, Picardy, France. She was the daughter of Herbert IV Count of Vermandois and Adela de Vexin. Adelaide de Vermandois married Hugh de Crepi Magnus , Duke of Burgundy, son of Henry I King of France and Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna of Kiev, in 1067.³ Adelaide de Vermandois married an unknown person in 1103.^1,3 She died on 28 September 1120 at Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.^1,3
     She Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS.[Complete Peerage]

     Herbert IV Count of Vermandois was born circa 1032 at Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.¹ He was the son of Otho Count of Vermandois and Parvie (?). Herbert IV Count of Vermandois died in 1080.¹

     Adela de Vexin was born circa 1041 at Valois now Oise, Picardy, France. She was the daughter of Raoul III 'The Great' Count of Valois & Vexin and Aelis (Adele) Comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube. Adela de Vexin died in 1080.

     Bernard de Neufmarche , Lord of Brecon was born circa 1050 at Neufmarche, Seine-Inferiere, Normandy, France. He was the son of Geoffrey Sire de Neufmarche and Ada de Hugleville. Bernard de Neufmarche , Lord of Brecon died in 1093 at Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales.¹

     Nesta verch Osborn was born circa 1077 at Richard's Castle, Ludlow (Shrops), Herefordshire, England. She was the daughter of Osbern FitzRichard , of Richard's Castle and Nesta verch Gruffudd.

     Osbern FitzRichard , of Richard's Castle was born in 1055 at Arwystle, Herefordshire, England. He was the son of Richard FitzScrob , of Richard's Castle and Miss de Essex. Osbern FitzRichard , of Richard's Castle married Nesta verch Gruffudd, daughter of Gruffudd ap Llewelyn , Prince of Wales and Edith (Aldgyth) of Mercia, before 1076. Osbern FitzRichard , of Richard's Castle died after 1100 at Richard's Castle, Ludlow (Shrops), Herefordshire, England.^1,2
     He Sheriff of Hereford 1060 [Ancestral Roots]

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OSBERN FITZRICHARD, son of the above, was a Domesday tenant, and livedtill the time of Henry I, when he made a grant of land to WorcesterPriory, which was confirmed and added to by his son Hugh. He probablymarried Nest, daughter of Gruffyd ap Llewellyn, King of Wales. [CompletePeerage IX:257, XIV:488, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

     Nesta verch Gruffudd was born circa 1057 at Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales.¹ She was the daughter of Gruffudd ap Llewelyn , Prince of Wales and Edith (Aldgyth) of Mercia. Nesta verch Gruffudd married an unknown person before 1070; Very Doubtful Marriage.¹ She married Osbern FitzRichard , of Richard's Castle, son of Richard FitzScrob , of Richard's Castle and Miss de Essex, before 1076. Nesta verch Gruffudd died in 1153.